Why do atheists target Christians?

Christian Says:

I am curious why Christianity seems to be the most targeted religion for atheists to attack. While I recognize that Christianity is the religion with the most followers worldwide, it really seems less like a strictly scientific numbers issue, and more like emotional personal vendetta most of the time. I see so much effort from the atheist community to debunk Christian beliefs, but very little going toward Jewish, Muslim or Buddhist fallacy for instance (also very popular religions).

With so much emphasis on Christianity, I would think atheists would realize how much it weakens their “reason”. First, it suggests that Christianity is the only religion worth attacking, which may just be insulting to other religions as well. Second, it gives the appearance of a hidden (anti-Christian or even satanic) agenda to most Christians. Third, it makes these atheists just look like angry kids rebelling against their Christian parents or the Christian society they were raised in. None of these things are very compelling to a Christian to abandon the faith they work very hard to keep. Just sayin’.

15 Responses to Why do atheists target Christians?

  1. Durzal says:

    Well we don’t target anyone specifically but as this blog is laid out in English and English speaking countries are generally Christian countries, those who pose questions are usually Christian and so we spend most of our time debating against Christians and their belief systems.

    Its the same for atheists in any country.
    “you fight against the devil you know”
    That’s why you see so much effort go on debating Christianity.
    I don’t know as much about any other religion as I do about Christianity and so I use the Christian faith to highlight the absurdity of religion in general.

    I’d also point out that your less likely to get “out” atheists in faiths like Islam as it stems from countries with lesser social freedoms, so that’s another reason all atheists seem to be targeting Christianity.

    You can bet your ass that if someone from another religion states similar absurdities posed by their religion on this blog, it will be refuted just as strongly… but it hasn’t happened yet
    (while I’ve been here anyway)

    Trust me, we think all religions are baseless, not just yours.

    • Christian says:

      You make some good points. Certainly food for thought. However, if I could paint a hypothetical scenario, which I feel like I have experienced in some way or another on multiple occasions:

      A Christian, a Buddhist, and an atheist are having a conversation in a cafe. These three have just met, and are discussing politics. The Buddhist happens to mention something about their faith, then the Christian. The atheist would most likely single out the Christian first. Am I wrong?

      Moreover, in many cases, it seems that these casual mentions of faith, showing where one is drawing their moral principles from, will not simply be dismissed as such, but contested by the atheist, simply because religion is mentioned. The civil political discussion goes out the window, in favor of religious debate. I’ll admit, many Christians are quick to do the very same, but atheism is contends to be so much more “reasonable”.

      To ask a side-question: Do atheists believe that it is possible to purge the world of religion? If not, do you try anyway? If so, why? If you do believe it’s possible, would the perceived benefits of a faithless world be worth the genocide it would take to create it?

      • Durzal says:

        Your probably right, an atheist would most likely take issue with the views of the Christian, this is mainly because Buddhism is more like a philosophy its all spiritual stuff like seeking enlightenment and karma with which I have no real problems.

        What I would have a problem with is a religion that teaches kids that if you don’t happen to believe a certain way you will burn in a lake of fire for all eternity, a religion that argues against facts like evolution or in any other way purveys ignorance, a religion who’s pope in the midst of an aids epidemic in Africa tells the populace not to wear condoms… or religions that approve stoning women to death or other such(so called) honour killings.

        Can you not see why, I might not give a rats arse about the Buddhist seeking his enlightenment?

        When Christians say they get their morals from their faith or “my son goes to church because I want him taught right from wrong” it suggest that somehow without being taught a dogma of superstition you somehow won’t know how to behave.
        If you didn’t believe in God would you lose all sense of right and wrong? would you roam the streets raping and killing?.
        Of course not!

        Can you not see why atheists might find the view that morals spring from religion offensive?(and idiotic)

        I don’t speak for all atheists but I’d say No. I believe at some point (if we make it that far) religions such as we know it will disappear but I would imagine spirituality will always continue as it doesn’t clash so much with common sense.

        Its not an atheist mission to do away with religion(as far as I’m concerned) some people are better of with it(some need it)

        Would the world be better off without religion, don’t know, perhaps some need religion to hold in the murder rampages. (not me though)
        There is a nice piece of atheist propaganda you may have heard:
        Science fly’s us to the moon, religion fly’s us into buildings.

        My atheism isn’t a result of dawkins and hitchen’s massacring my family.
        It won’t take genocide to rid the world of religion, just some education.

      • Christian says:

        “What I would have a problem with is a religion that teaches kids that if you don’t happen to believe a certain way you will burn in a lake of fire for all eternity, a religion that argues against facts like evolution or in any other way purveys ignorance, a religion who’s pope in the midst of an aids epidemic in Africa tells the populace not to wear condoms… or religions that approve stoning women to death or other such(so called) honour killings.”

        Do you automatically assume most Christians you meet deny evolution, listen to the pope, and approve the stoning of women (or anyone for that matter)? As far as believing a certain way or burning in hell goes, I think many Christians would agree there is really only one very simple requirement to avoid such a fate. I personally believe that the greatest gift God gave us, is the choice to believe in Him or not, and I honor the decisions of others to make the wrong choice. If you don’t believe the lake of fire even exists, why should my beliefs affect you?

        I read another comment of yours in a different thread accusing Christianity of being an archaic religion refusing to change with the times. I think if you compare the attitudes of Christians today to the Christians of the dark ages, you may see the error in that statement. For example, stoning is not accepted by modern Christians as a punishment for well… anything. Also, as I stated above, if you choose not to believe in God, I am not going to rally up a crusade. I might pray for you though, is that so bad?

        “If you didn’t believe in God would you lose all sense of right and wrong? would you roam the streets raping and killing?.
        Of course not!”

        No. Everyone is born with an inherent sense of right and wrong. However, we are also born with an inherent sense of human nature. Sometimes our instinctive urges blur the line between right and wrong. When that happens, it is nice to have a moral compass. Luckily, we have been given one by our very creator. At least, those of us who choose to believe so. For the rest of you, good luck. I wish you the best. I find it hard to believe anyone never makes an unethical decision. How do atheists deal with themselves when they make an unethical decision? Do you have remorse? Do you make efforts to reverse the outcome of those unethical decisions? Do you ask to be punished? Do you ask for forgiveness? Are you forgiven? Do you forgive unethical decisions of others? Why or why not?

        It’s refreshing to see you do recognize the value of religion for others, even if you choose not to believe. I do detect a bit of a “holier than thou” attitude toward us lowly indoctrinated, uneducated, thought-challenged, imaginary superstition-believers though. Correct me if I’m wrong.

        When you say it’s not an atheist’s mission to do away with religion, I think Dawkins would disagree. I think the Bolsheviks did disagree. The idea of atheism by force is not unheard of. So secular rationality is just as guilty of “flying into buildings” as it were. Atheists have blood on their hands from their own crusades too, try to remember that when you point the finger at religion.

      • Durzal says:

        No, I don’t assume or suggest that all denominations deny evolution, just some and those are the ones I would have problems with.
        The pope bit was referring to Catholics only and the stoning of women was for Islam.

        How easy it is to avoid this supposed fate isn’t the point, the fact is your religion teaches that if you happen to be born into a different religion or into a non-religious family no matter how good a person you may be if you don’t accept Christian teachings your going to burn eternally, this is an absurd and sick belief.(tell me how its not)

        It doesn’t affect me, I was pointing out why I’m more likely to take issue with your belief than I am a Buddhists.
        (yours are real ugly in comparison)

        I said
        “rather archaic claims and beliefs of some groups in Christianity”
        You missed “some groups”
        Again stoning was for Islam, I assumed saying “and other supposed honour killings” would have explained this.(I’ll be more clear next time)
        No you won’t rally up a crusade but you will no doubt believe someone like me, a cop, blood donor, organ donor, and cancer research donator:- i.e. a decent human being, is going to burn eternally for all of time for the crime of not being born into a religious family.
        (and that’s a god awful sick belief to hold)

        How is a moral compass not a sense of right and wrong?
        and how is suggesting atheists don’t have a moral compass any different than saying we don’t have any morals?
        Who said people never make unethical decisions?
        Yes we feel guilt and if we make bad or unethical decisions we learn not to do it again next time, same as everyone.

        As far as I’m concerned we have everything you Christians have,(except the superstitious nonsense) and being told otherwise would rather pee off the average atheists.
        (hence it being contested by atheists)

        Regarding the “holier than thou” attitude, yes I’ll admit its there but it wouldn’t be for Christians who have a more moderate (and less idiotic) set off beliefs.
        Catholics(might not be all) I’m told teach: good people go to heaven and bad go to hell regardless of their faith or lack thereof.
        Even though I don’t believe it, I have a lot more time(and respect) for this view.

        I’m sure dawkins would disagree but I would imagine if religions didn’t purvey such nonsense dawkins wouldn’t be wasting his time.
        (besides if dawkins thinks its his mission that doesn’t make it mine)

        Stalin was a tyrant and ordered atrocities because he was a tyrant he didn’t do it in the name of atheism, he didn’t scream atheism, science or darwin as he killed, Its possible that Stalin fearing a God may have stopped him committing atrocities but it hasn’t stopped religious people doing so, so why would it have stopped him?

        The point is there are bad people and good people, bad people do bad things and good people do good things but for good people to do bad things takes religion, without religion we would only have to worry about the bad people.

        I realise I have a rather mocking debate style, but try not to take it personally as its not meant to offend, remember that I don’t see you or religion as the enemy, just some of the(less godlike) beliefs that come with your faith.

      • The Atheist says:

        Hi, Christian and Durzal. Sorry to join the conversation so late in the game but I’m just now able to get to it.

        The atheist would most likely single out the Christian first. Am I wrong?

        I think whether you’re wrong or right about this depends on the individuals in the conversation. To give you another data point, I personally don’t jump on statements about faith in the context of other topics, like politics in this example. I’m perfectly happy to hear a Christian say that he holds a certain political view because of his faith. If I disagree with his political position, then I might offer my reasons for disagreeing. I would only begin to call his religious faith into question if he indicates that he is unwilling to consider my positions because his faith prevents him. And even then, I am likely not to challenge his faith unless he is the one that started the political discussion in the first place. This is pretty much how I interact with people of any faith regardless of what that faith is. Not all atheists are alike, we pretty much think for ourselves so your mileage may vary.

        The civil political discussion goes out the window, in favor of religious debate.

        I very rarely invite religious debate in everyday encounters. In fact I can’t really remember the last time I did. But when I do debate whether on this blog or in person, I try my best to be civil. Again, atheists aren’t all alike, your mileage may vary, but consider this another data point.

        To ask a side-question: Do atheists believe that it is possible to purge the world of religion? If not, do you try anyway? If so, why? If you do believe it’s possible, would the perceived benefits of a faithless world be worth the genocide it would take to create it?

        I personally don’t think it’s possible and personally I don’t try. If I thought it were possible by means of genocide, I would not consider it to be worth the cost (I don’t think genocide is ever justified for anything).

        If you don’t believe the lake of fire even exists, why should my beliefs affect you?

        Because religious fundamentalists have votes and votes affect public policy and public policy affects me. To the extent that you are not willing to tolerate elements of theocracy, then your belief affects me positively. To the extent that you are willing to tolerate elements of theocracy, then your belief affects me negatively.

        How do atheists deal with themselves when they make an unethical decision? Do you have remorse? Do you make efforts to reverse the outcome of those unethical decisions? Do you ask to be punished? Do you ask for forgiveness? Are you forgiven? Do you forgive unethical decisions of others? Why or why not?

        As before, your mileage may vary but:

        – I have remorse.
        – I usually make efforts to reverse the outcome but not always.
        – I never ask to be punished (though my efforts to make amends may be punishing)
        – I usually ask for forgiveness.
        – I’m often forgiven.
        – I usually forgive unethical decisions of others (but may still hold them accountable). Why? Because I can empathize with the transgressor.

        When you say it’s not an atheist’s mission to do away with religion, I think Dawkins would disagree. I think the Bolsheviks did disagree.

        It would be hard to say with any certainty that the Bolsheviks mission was guided by religious ideology rather than political ideology. For example, it’s easy to see why a political movement of the working class would be resentful of a church which was one of the biggest landowners (it owned 7.5 million acres and had an annual income of 150 million rubles) and was a willing accomplice of Tsarism.

        I’m not so sure Dawkins would agree either. Here is a video you might find interesting: it’s Dawkins, Dennett, Harris, and Hitchens debating that very question.

        In any case, atheists often disagree. We tend to be freethinkers.

      • Marius de Jess says:

        “I don’t know as much about any other religion as I do about Christianity and so I use the Christian faith to highlight the absurdity of religion in general.”

        I wonder if you can distinguish between God and religion.

        If you can, then I like to ask you whether the universe has come from absolute nothing,

        • Durzal says:

          You’ve quoted my text there so I guess this is a question for me.

          I’m pretty sure I can distinguish between the concept of God and Religion so I’ll have a go at answering your question.

          My answer would be: I don’t know if the universe has come from absolutely nothing, what do you think?
          If you believe in a God do you think he came from absolutely nothing?

  2. dmoney012485 says:

    Id also like to jump in this discussion. With the atheist, buddist, and christian part i would probably debate the christian first also. Buddists are actually somewhat atheists they dont believe in a god so to speak. They believe in the teachings of a man. They do have some supernatural beliefs that im sure i would debate them on though.

    My wife is a Christian and i dont see religion as a bad thing though some people who are religious have been horrible and im sure there will be more in the future. Atheists have never killed in the name of their lack of faith. Religions do that.

    As someone else said if i do wrong i try to right it. I try not to do wrong towards fellow man though whenever possible. Its a pretty common misconception that atheists are horrible people with no fear of anything who do bad things all the time. We dont we tend to be humanists and try our best to lead good lives. Not all of us of course are like that we vary wildly just like most religious people vary wildly.

  3. chris says:

    We athiests “attack” christianity because it is more prevalent here in the united states. The freedom to practice your religion has led you to push it upon others in such a way as to alienate anyone who disagrees with you. You claim to love but are willing to say hurtful things and resort to violence when someone tells you you are wrong. Also you christians have a legacy stained in blood (not that of your mythological-deity-bastard-child-savior) that stretches back to your beginnings. You have killed people over a thing you cannot prove is real. And let’s not forget hitler was a christian who believed himself to be doing “god’s work”. We do it not to rebel, but to undo the indoctrination of ignorance into the minds of the uneducated masses and the children who have it shoved down their throats with their baby bottles. You are a cancer impeding the process of furthering the human race by constantly opposing evidence based theories and proven scientific fact. And for some thought when was the last time you heard of a hindu crusade? Or buddhist suicide bombers? Or daoists bombing abortion clinics?

  4. bruised reed says:

    Christianity is the favorite NOT ONLY of atheists but all OTHER RELIGIONS because they know that the God of Christians is the Only True God!

    • The Atheist says:

      I agree with what others have said here, that at least on sites run by “Westerners”, Christianity is the most ubiquitous religion and therefore the most inviting of criticism. However, that said, it’s also a tempting target because of the amusing arguments that Christians often post; posts like this one for example:

      Christianity is the favorite of atheists (people who believe that there is no God) because the God of Christians is the Only True God.

      Thank you for posting this!

    • Durzal says:

      Wow, it would appear this chappy has decided not to address anything that has been said on this thread and simply make a grandiose statement that has no reasoning to support it.

      Its sort of funny and a little depressing to think this guy believes that people of other religions pick on Christianity because they “KNOW” the Christian God is the only true God, yet still choose to follow their own faith and God whilst “targeting” Christianity who they secretly know is right,.. the reason this sounds bloody idiotic is because.. it is!

      • The Atheist says:

        I think posts like this serve as a good illustration of how deluded blind faith can be. I don’t think that all believers are deluded to the same degree, but I do think it’s a sliding scale. I would go as far as to say that I don’t think it’s possible to have unshakable faith in any of the major religion’s view of God, without selectively ignoring facts, or without making a conscious effort to rationalize them away.

        • Tails Prower says:

          There is nothing wrong with believing in something blindly. When it comes down to religion, nothing can be physically seen or heard. This is all what faith is: believing in something that cannot be seen. I know, I myself am a christian and a very devout one. I also know that science may look like it contradicts religion, but, if looked at the right way, actually proves various parts of what we Christians hold to be true. Science is how, religion is why. God bless.

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